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Douglas Drummond

GigE camera install problem

I am having a problem installing a GigE camera in micromanager.

I have micromanager v1.45 installed on a PC running Windows XP 32 bit. I have installed the latest version of JAI SDK toolkit. This is working with our Allied prosillica GC GC1380H camera using the JAI control tool which can connect to the camera and capture images. When I run micromanager and use the hardware configuration wizard and create a new configuration I can complete the steps 1-4 . However on step 4 when I click next micromanager crashes and a I get the error message below.

javaw.exe encountered an error and needs to close.

the error details are

App name javaw.exe App ver 6.0.200.2 mod name mmgr_dal_gigecamera.dll mod ver 0.0.0.0 offset 0003e5b1

I have also tried using the gigE test config on the GigE web page. This also crashes when it is selected at startup. MM has box saying "loading system configuration" then it crashes with the same error.

Micromanager itself can start normally with the demo config or a config for our PVCAM camera.

Any suggestions ?

Doug

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Michael Curtis

Re: GigE camera install problem

On 15/07/2011, at 12:23 AM, Douglas Drummond wrote:

I am having a problem installing a GigE camera in micromanager.
I have micromanager v1.45 installed on a PC running Windows XP 32 bit. I have installed the latest version of JAI SDK toolkit. This is working with our Allied prosillica GC GC1380H camera using the JAI control tool which can connect to the camera and capture images. When I run micromanager and use the hardware configuration wizard and create a new configuration I can complete the steps 1-4 . However on step 4 when I click next micromanager crashes and a I get the error message below.

I have had the exact same issue with the Allied ProSilica cameras and MM. (Windows XP 32 and Windows 7-32). I think the problem is that the JAI SDK doesn't detect the camera correctly (either by design, to prevent usage with non-JAI cameras, or because of a bug in the implementation of the GigE standard by JAI or by AVT, I'm not sure).

I have started with a hacked up driver which uses the PvAPI from AVT to access the camera, but unfortunately it is currently a bit buggy and I've only compiled it for linux. I don't really have the time to work on it right now, and it's not critical to my project to get it working. If you're happy to play around with the C++ code, I'm happy to send this to you.

el_nino_delfin

Re: GigE camera install problem

Hi Michael,

I have an Allied ProSilica camera that I had planned on using with MM, since there is now a GeniCam adapter. I’m glad to get the heads up from you, since I have yet to start messing with it. I don’t know how specific the GeniCam adapter is to using the JAI implementation, but there are others available; e.g. Basler and National Instruments(NI) both have GeniCam Interfaces. While I have not used the Basler implementation, the NI one works quite well – It’s called IMAQDx. It works great at with detecting and using various cameras from various mfgs. It can even use usb cameras if they have a direct show driver provided by the Mfg ( in my case a Thorlabs DCx camera ).

I would be very interested to see how to use or modify the GeniCam adapter for use with the NI IMAQDx implementation of GeniCam ( or any other GeniCam interface, for that matter ). I believe the IMAQDx software package MAY be free, it’s downloadable from the NI website ( I just downloaded the latest version, and it works great ), but it should be installed automatically if you have LabVIEW, or any of the NI vision packages installed.

On a related note, I’m working on a .NET/C# wrapper for the MM core, that will make using MM from any .NET aware language a snap ( e.g. C#, Visual Basic, Labview, etc… - there’s a ton of them ). Since .NET objects work great in LabVIEW my wrapper will make the scripting of MM from LabView very easy! If any MM users out there are any interested in any of these subjects drop me a line.

-Dean

From: Michael Curtis [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:17 PM
To: Micro-Manager General
Subject: Re: [micro-manager-general] GigE camera install problem

On 15/07/2011, at 12:23 AM, Douglas Drummond wrote:

I am having a problem installing a GigE camera in micromanager.

David Lambert

Re: GigE camera install problem

Hi all,
This is an old thread but I was wondering anyone has made any progress getting Allied Vision Tech GigE cameras to work with MM on windows? Also, does anyone know of GigE adaptor for MM that would support color cameras, or a plan to make one?

Thanks,
David

At 12:11 PM 7/15/2011, you wrote:

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Hi Michael,

I have an Allied ProSilica camera that I had planned on using with MM, since there is now a GeniCam adapter. Im glad to get the heads up from you, since I have yet to start messing with it. I dont know how specific the GeniCam adapter is to using the JAI implementation, but there are others available; e.g. Basler and National Instruments(NI) both have GeniCam Interfaces. While I have not used the Basler implementation, the NI one works quite well Its called IMAQDx. It works great at with detecting and using various cameras from various mfgs. It can even use usb cameras if they have a direct show driver provided by the Mfg ( in my case a Thorlabs DCx camera ).

I would be very interested to see how to use or modify the GeniCam adapter for use with the NI IMAQDx implementation of GeniCam ( or any other GeniCam interface, for that matter ). I believe the IMAQDx software package MAY be free, its downloadable from the NI website ( I just downloaded the latest version, and it works great ), but it should be installed automatically if you have LabVIEW, or any of the NI vision packages installed.

On a related note, Im working on a .NET/C# wrapper for the MM core, that will make using MM from any .NET aware language a snap ( e.g. C#, Visual Basic, Labview, etc - theres a ton of them ). Since .NET objects work great in LabVIEW my wrapper will make the scripting of MM from LabView very easy! If any MM users out there are any interested in any of these subjects drop me a line.

-Dean

From: Michael Curtis [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:17 PM
To: Micro-Manager General
Subject: Re: [micro-manager-general] GigE camera install problem

On 15/07/2011, at 12:23 AM, Douglas Drummond wrote:

I am having a problem installing a GigE camera in micromanager.
I have micromanager v1.45 installed on a PC running Windows XP 32 bit. I have installed the latest version of JAI SDK toolkit. This is working with our Allied prosillica GC GC1380H camera using the JAI control tool which can connect to the camera and capture images. When I run micromanager and use the hardware configuration wizard and create a new configuration I can complete the steps 1-4 . However on step 4 when I click next micromanager crashes and a I get the error message below.

I have had the exact same issue with the Allied ProSilica cameras and MM. (Windows XP 32 and Windows 7-32). I think the problem is that the JAI SDK doesn't detect the camera correctly (either by design, to prevent usage with non-JAI cameras, or because of a bug in the implementation of the GigE standard by JAI or by AVT, I'm not sure).

I have started with a hacked up driver which uses the PvAPI from AVT to access the camera, but unfortunately it is currently a bit buggy and I've only compiled it for linux. I don't really have the time to work on it right now, and it's not critical to my project to get it working. If you're happy to play around with the C++ code, I'm happy to send this to you.

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Michael Curtis

Re: GigE camera install problem

On 25/10/2011, at 2:42 AM, David Lambert wrote:

> Hi all,
> This is an old thread but I was wondering anyone has made any progress getting Allied Vision Tech GigE cameras to work with MM on windows? Also, does anyone know of GigE adaptor for MM that would support color cameras, or a plan to make one?

Unfortunately my work on the adapter is at the exact some place it was a few months ago. We have had discussions internally about spending this time to get it to work, but research clearly takes priority over what I would broadly class as "research support" or infrastructure work, so probably nothing will happen until someone needs a break from real work or it becomes critical to their project.

As far as I know, both the AVT PvAPI and the micromanager API support colour imaging, so it would be technically possible. You may be in luck, as we *might* be buying a colour AVT camera. If this were to happen, the micromanager adapter would be prioritised higher within the group.

Michael Curtis
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Division of Biological Engineering
Monash University

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David Lambert

Re: GigE camera install problem

Hi Michael, thanks for the update. Let me know if you do pick it up
again. I was trying to get it to work with an AVT GigE Manta, which
seems like a great camera (and an excellent value).

Best wishes,
Dave

At 10:33 PM 10/26/2011, you wrote:

>On 25/10/2011, at 2:42 AM, David Lambert wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > This is an old thread but I was wondering anyone has made any
> progress getting Allied Vision Tech GigE cameras to work with MM on
> windows? Also, does anyone know of GigE adaptor for MM that would
> support color cameras, or a plan to make one?
>
>Unfortunately my work on the adapter is at the exact some place it
>was a few months ago. We have had discussions internally about
>spending this time to get it to work, but research clearly takes
>priority over what I would broadly class as "research support" or
>infrastructure work, so probably nothing will happen until someone
>needs a break from real work or it becomes critical to their project.
>
>As far as I know, both the AVT PvAPI and the micromanager API
>support colour imaging, so it would be technically possible. You
>may be in luck, as we *might* be buying a colour AVT camera. If
>this were to happen, the micromanager adapter would be prioritised
>higher within the group.
>
>Michael Curtis
>PhD Student
>Division of Biological Engineering
>Monash University
>
>
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Micropix

Re: GigE camera install problem

Hi,
Sorry if this is a bit "commercial" for the mailing list but just to let you know that our entire range of GigE (and USB) colour and monochrome cameras are all supported within uManager 1.4. Please feel free to contact me if you have any specific questions. Regards, Magnar

Magnar Slocombe
Micropix Ltd, UK
Email: magnar@micropix.co.uk
Web: www.micropix.co.uk